Love VS Fear.

[[..æsyx]]

Which is more primordial: love, or fear?

Do we fear what we don't understand, or do we just fear for losing the things we do? It's something I've never quite understood. My fears protect and surround me. I adore my fears because though they dominate my life, they keep out everything dangerous, so that I have less to lose.

But do they overpower me to the point where it's not even reality anymore? This globe, this shell I'm held in safely, is it keeping me from things I actually have to know?

And then there's the concept of love. In order to fear losing something, do you not have to have some kind of attachment to it first? If you fear death, it means that you love your life enough to not want to lose it. If you fear pain, you love the feeling of ease and trouble-free mind.

I'm confused with this. They intertwine too strongly. If anything, I'd say love is primordial...

...what say you?

[Anna]

I don't quite understand so i'll make my best effort to respond. We fear both losing what we understand because once we no longer understand then we feel alone,out numbered. My fears are always there but they don't control me 100%. I know frogs are down by a pond i'll go anyways...just hope that the frog dosen't go near me,I can't stand the dark but i'll be outside in the dark,on the condition that im not alone.
As for love well what IS love to begin with? a question everyone has thier own opinion on. The things I fear losing I am attatched to so yes I do believe to fear loss you need attatchment. I fear losing my friends because I love them to pieces.
Love and fear DO intwine,without fear it would be difficult to love becuase then you would only take what you "love" for granted,meaning you'll never learn to love them enough.

[~Master William~]

This is a very good question Aesyx. It is my belief that fear is more primordial then love. My reason? Well, I can't really give one, other then the fact that fear has always been there in humans. The word love itself is invented, its not real. You can't hold love in your hands. You can't literally feel love, but you can feel fear, in a sense.

On the topic of adoring your fears, it's my view that this is not good. Your fears do indeed protect you from things that can harm you in life, but you also have to make the decisions yourself about what's really harmful or not. My fear could easily tell me that eating pie is dangerous, but does that make it? No, of course not. You can't blindly follow your fears of every little thing. Look at the fears you have and say, Does this make sense?, and if not, then why are you afraid? Therefore in a way I am agreeing, fears do sometimes keep you from learning some of the most important things in life. They keep you from learning that everything you do has a certain amount of risk in it, and that if you didn't risk it all everyday, then you'd never truly live. What makes life so beautiful is the very fact that at any time your decision could be your last. Its dangerous sure, but hey, c'est la vie. You have to cross the rickety bridge to get to the pasture .

And finally, yes I do agree that they intertwine very closely indeed. Love and fear go hand in hand in a lot of things, but many other emotions play a part in what decisions you make. Also, yes, you do need to have a kind of attachment to something in order to fear losing it forever, but I'd have to say that in my opinion we have a subconscious attachment to almost everything in our lives. Not all attachments will bring tears to your eyes when they're lost. It doesn't have to be a person or a place or something, it can be anything. It can be a certain scenario, a certain moral value, or maybe even a certain sound or smell you get every night before you go to bed.

I hope I'm making sense here.

[ReptileLover]

It is really quite hard to say. All those who know me know i worry and that is because i fear hate, or disapproval, rejection or the consiquences on the whole. I do love things, but my life seems to be centered around fearing everything. I am always terrified that someone is mad at me, and i fear that they will speak poorly of me or just show their hate. I'm also afraid that I annoy people too much because I'm always saying sorry or yelling at myself, which ties into the fear of myself. As strange as it sounds I'm always yelling at myself for being selfish because i feel like I often do things that only concern the well being of myself, and afterward i feel terribly guilty about it and beat myself up for considering that concept of me. I not only fear that I am a terrible person, but the fact that i may end up hurting someone in my selfishness. My theory is that because i was ignored by my peers as a child, i have the desire to talk about myself because i never got the chance too, and this was because i feared the rejection and shunning of my peers. Somehow this does make sense in someway.

I don't know if this applies to everyone, but i know for sure it works with me. My life is run by fear and any love i can get i don't take it for granted.

[Anna]

I don't doubt those facts for either of you. I agree with Aesyx that my life is run by fear,I as well fear people dislikeing me and dissaproval,because those i'm around I love. Not all my fears make sense to me, I cant answer why i'm terrified of frogs or lizards. Heres a twist for you. I fear love. Yes love,its a legit fear as well,I fear loving my friends becuase I fear I will lose them one way or another,which only results in me holding on by any means nessecary includeing forgetting my own well-being. I fear falling in love again becuase love is full of pain if the love cannot be returned,and i'm not really optamistic so I feel with my luck,and so far i've been right, I will not gain what I wish. So I fear love above all other fears. I fear getting yelled at or told im wrong in a harsh way,even if your my worst enemy I still cry when i'm yelled at. The worst part about all these fears is they only exist for me because of love. Not all fears of course I dont fear frogs becuase I love..not frogs.....*shrugs* I just have many fears that tie in with love.

[~Master William~]

Wow...this was a great question Aesyx, we all showed a little bit about ourselves here. *high fives for being honest*

[snider029]

They are yin and yang the company of one is the loss of the other

[Anna]

Thats probably the best way to describe it,the yin yang,good and evil,day and night....love and fear.

[~Master William~]

Hmm...yes this is a good point snider and Little Jen. They are very intertwined like that, but I must disagree when you say they are opposites. Ying and yang are opposites and yet necessary to one another, but its my opinion that fear and love are not opposites. Love and hate, fear and bravery are opposites. Wouldn't you say that you can fear something and not love it? Or that you can love something without fearing it whatsoever? I'm not quite composed on my thoughts here..Apologies.

[Anna]

I love people that I fear. But the original idea is do we love without fear? if you love something its because you fear something else,okay not makeing sense so exampe. You can't love a person without fearing oneday loseing them,if that happens your takeing them for granted,even if the fear of losing them is pushed far back into your mind its still there no?